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This week Rae McDaniel is back. Rae is a non-binary gender and sex therapist who works primarily with transgender/non-binary/questioning folks transitioning their gender identity. We talk about how everybody has an opportunity to look at their gender identity and decide how they want to express it to see they want to present themselves. You might remember from our last episode they were writing a book. It's out now and called: Gender Magic—I read an early copy and loved it. We covered some of my favorite parts like how they see gender as a galaxy, human centered design thinking, how they approach decision making, naming fear rather than ignoring it, evolving personal style and the importance of kinship through “queering” intimacy in friendships, and much more. Let us know if you listened and Happy Pride! Show Notes: - Find Rae on Instagram | Web | TikTok - Rae's new book, Gender Magic - Check out Practical Audacity - Our newsletter to get show notes + essays by me, recs, etc. - Find me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout - A few spots in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) : ) - SPONSOR: this episode is sponsored by Paleovalley--head over to paleovalley.com/letitout for 15% off your first order! - For book recs, our bookshelf here - and I made a shop with recs ...with shelves for guests Thanks so much for listening to this podcast.

You may remember Anjie from her several other appearances here over the years, most recently, the in-person feng shui consulting session she did for me in my apartment. This time, in her fifth appearance on this podcast, we give some updates from making the adjustments she suggested on our last episode, plus we talk about her new book, some factors she can pinpoint that impacted her career success, and I took some questions from others including space and home adjustments for relationships, and how to adjust and compromise when merging styles when moving in with a new partner. And the question she gets most often from couples: what to do when one person values consistency and familiarity and the other loves novelty and moving around furniture. Since 1999, Anjie has been designing spaces informed by the ancient practice of feng shui and tailored to each individual’s needs, which you’ll get a taste of in this. She’s been featured everywhere from The New York Times to Domino Magazine; she’s a New York State registered architect; co-founder of the Mindful Design Feng Shui School; and author of the book Holistic Spaces and the newly published Mindful Homes. Show Notes: - Find Anjie on the Web | Instagram | Mindful Design Feng Shui School - Anjie's books: Holistic Spaces & Mindful Homes - Our newsletter to get show notes + essays by me, recs, etc. - Find me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout - A few spots in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) : ) - SPONSOR: this episode is sponsored by Paleovalley--head over to paleovalley.com/letitout for 15% off your first order! - For book recs, our bookshelf here - and I made a shop with recs ...with shelves for guests - If you have any questions for our upcoming Spiraling Q&A episode, email me (katie@letitouttt.com) :) Thanks so much for listening to this podcast. If you liked this episode, try out: Episode 413: Anjie Cho Moves My Furniture & Makes It All Better

This week I spoke with Sam Burton. He’s an artist originally from Utah now living in my neighborhood in LA. Sam came over a few weeks ago and we drank tea and talked about everything from how he began playing music, to how he approaches collaboration, craft, and creativity. After spending time studying Jungian psychology, he began reading tarot for himself and others. We spoke about how that impacts his songwriting as well as dream work, typology and Myers-Briggs. He’s candid about how “perfection bubbles” burst, the value of connection, and how constructive feedback given well has shaped his sound. We get into what he’s learned about sustaining a career in music, touring, maintaining a beginner's mind, external validation and criticism, his thoughts on love, nature, friendship, the music that shaped him, and more. I especially loved this one, Sam is deeply introspective, humble, easy to talk to, and wise. Let us know if you listen. Show Notes: - Follow Sam on Instagram - Sam's LA release show night 1 (July 14) & night 2 (July 15) - Pre-order Sam's new album, Dear Departed (out July 14) - Listen to Sam's song Long Way Around - Sam's car accident GoFundMe - The Way of Tarot (the first tarot book Sam fell in love with) - For Sam's Jungian book recs: anything by Marion Woodman is a good place to begin - SPONSOR: Listen to Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso - Our newsletter to get show notes + essays by me, recs, etc. - Find me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout - A few spots in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) : ) - SPONSOR: this episode is sponsored by Paleovalley--head over to paleovalley.com/letitout for 15% off your first order! Thanks so much for listening to this podcast.

This week, one of my favorite people to talk to Sacha Jones hosts the program. For the last several years she’s come back annually to interview me the last week of April. This year we talked about how we met a decade ago, how we've changed since, how this podcast has changed, what morning routines have made it 10 years, our love of this item, cringing at past versions of ourselves, and more. Sacha tells how she ended up moving to NYC from London to be an Au pair and recently found some old journals for that time. She’s is one of the most creative, wise, and gentle people I know and our annual catch-ups end up being time capsules of that year. Let us know if you listened : ) Show Notes: -Tongue scrappers ...the love of our lives - Follow Sacha on Instagram - Sacha's general website | ceremonies website - SPONSOR: this episode is sponsored by Paleovalley--head over to paleovalley.com/letitout for 15% off your first order! - Sign up for Jésabel DC's (guest from two weeks ago!) and my Life Audit Workshop - May 2nd: I'm joining Christy Harrison (last week's guest) for her book launch at Chevalier's Books: Join us here - Find me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout - The Write Kit is now 33% off with code THIRTYTHREE - Our newsletter to get show notes + essays by me, recs, etc. - A few spots in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) : ) - For book recs, our bookshelf here - and I made a shop with recs ...with shelves for guests - The Let It Out Kits: are self-study workshops for personal growing based on all I've ever learned and am learning. Thanks so much for listening to this podcast. If you liked this episode, try out: Episode 390 Little Things: Annual Birthday Party Hosted By Sacha Jones

This week I spoke to Christy Harrison, MPH, RD, who, in addition to being my close friend of over a decade, is someone whose work has significantly impacted me. As a journalist she’s covered food, nutrition, and health for more than 20 years. She's also a clinician working with people as a registered dietitian nutritionist specializing in eating disorders. Her writing has appeared everywhere from New York Times to the Food Network, and she's written two books: 2019's Anti-Diet and her latest, The Wellness Trap. We talked about how she’s handling the praise and criticism of a large platform, what well-being practices she does participate in, and in a clip from an interview I did with her on her new show Rethinking Wellness we talk about how my episode on her first show, Food Psych, where we talked about orthorexia was one of the early influences for this new book. We cover some topics it including the history of the hysteria diagnosis, and much more. Show Notes: - My interview with Christy on well-being > wellness - Find Christy on the Web | Instagram - Christy's podcasts: Rethinking Wellness & Food Psych - Christy's books: The Wellness Trap & Anti-Diet - Sign up for Jésabel's (last week's guest) and my Life Audit Workshop - Find me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout - The Podcast Kit is 50% off with code SPRING - Our newsletter to get show notes + essays by me, recs, etc. - A few spots in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) : ) - For book recs, our bookshelf here - and I made a shop with recs ...with shelves for guests - The Let It Out Kits: are self-study workshops for personal growing based on all I've ever learned and am learning. Thanks so much for listening to this podcast. If you liked this episode, try out: Episode 369: Seasons of Overwhelm with Christy Harrison (Part 1) Episode 354: Don't Let It Get You Down with Savala Nolan (Part 1)

This week I spoke with Jésabel DC. She runs a digital organization studio where she helps people with anxiety organize their digital lives. I was one of them, which is how we met. We talked about the systems she helped me make, how I've struggled to sustain them, and how I can evolve her systems. With a background in psychology and design, she specializes in turning chaotic digital environments (i.e., inboxes, files, notes, calendars) into playful, functional spaces. She tells how she got into this, and what we can do to feel less overwhelmed with constant correspondence flying at us. She defines anxiety-aware communication, gives advice on managing undefined relationships, prioritizing what matters, friend assistance and more. And if you want to join us for a workshop called the Life Audit, where she and I will combine journaling and organizing to to guide you through both the emotional and practical aspects of life overwhelm. the link is in the shownotes to learn more. : ) Show Notes: - Jésabel and my Life Audit Workshop - Find me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout - Find Jésabel & the Lifestyle Lab on the Web | Instagram her organizational session | Inbox class - SPONSOR This episode is sponsored by Cured Nutrition: get 20% your first order with code letitout - The Podcast Kit is 50% off with code SPRING - Our newsletter to get show notes + essays by me, recs, etc. - A few spots in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) : ) - For book recs, our bookshelf here - and I made a shop with recs ...with shelves for guests - The Let It Out Kits: are self-study workshops for personal growing based on all I've ever learned and am learning. Thanks so much for listening to this podcast.

This week I spoke with Michelle and Wallis, hosts of The Twelfth House and Good For U(?) podcasts. They had me on a few months ago and we had such a great conversation that I asked if we could talk more on this one. Michelle and I have been friends for ages, she’s the founder of Holisticism. Wallis joined the team a few years ago, and she, like Michelle, is so smart and cool as you’ll hear. We talk about the beginning days of Holisticism, a space that bridges the gap between the mystic and the realistic to make well-being more accessible to more people. We covered how it has expanded, including how they’ve built their team, advice for management, hiring, non-coercive marketing, failure, curation vs creation, prioritization as “squiggly brained" people, and podcasting as a medium (they both used the Podcast Kit to start their shows). And then we get into regret, string theory, breakups, collapsing timelines, undefined friendships, and much more. Let us know if you listen. Show Notes: - The Podcast Kit that we talk about (Michelle & Wallis were students) is now 50% off with code SPRING - Holisticism on the Web | Instagram - Find Michelle & Wallis on Instagram - Find out more about Holisticism's upcoming Notion for Magical Baddies course - Find me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout - Christy Harrison's new podcast: Rethinking Wellness - SPONSOR This episode is sponsored by Cured Nutrition: get 20% your first order with code letitout - Our newsletter to get show notes + essays by me, recs, etc. - A few spots in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) : ) - For book recs, our bookshelf here - and I made a shop with recs ...with shelves for guests - the Let It Out Kits: are self-study workshops for personal growing based on all I've ever learned and am learning. Thanks so much for listening to this podcast.

Danielle LaPorte is an author and poet living in Vancouver, Canada. I’ve been reading her books for years and this is her second time on the podcast. She has a way of articulating esoteric concepts in a way that goes down real easy for me, always has. We spoke over zoom a few weeks ago about what she’s been learning lately, self-help exhaustion, how non-duality is a creative act, self forgiveness vs self discipline, having the courage to make what she calls the 11th hour change, and how I discovered her in 2013 and her memory of that day. She quotes Krishnamurti saying “discipline is a tool that numbs the mind,” so we talked about that, our tendency to take on too many projects so we have to stay up late and eat crackers for dinner. We get into her thoughts on what she calls “tyrant time" vs "power time” and more. Her new book is called How to Be Loving, and I especially love her early book The Desire Map. Let us know if you listen. Show Notes: - Find Danielle on the Web | Instagram - Find me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout - Danielle's membership she mentions when we're talking about her process - SPONSOR This episode is sponsored by Cured Nutrition: get 20% your first order with code letitout - SPONSOR This episode is also sponsored by the Women's Meditation Network: wide selection of podcasts including the one on sleep that I mention - Our newsletter to get show notes + essays by me, recs, etc. - Book store workshop in Highland Park! March 19th: come hang if you're in LA! it's free but RSVP here - SPONSOR Christy Harrison's new podcast: Rethinking Wellness - A few spots in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) : ) - For book recs, our bookshelf here - and I made a shop with recs ...with shelves for guests - the Let It Out Kits: are self-study workshops for personal growing based on all I've ever learned and am learning. Thanks so much for listening to this podcast. If you liked this episode, try out: -Episode #387 In the Weeds: Herbalist Vanessa Chakour on Our Earthly Bodies

Cale Tyson is a musician originally from Texas, now living in my neighborhood in LA. He came by several weeks ago and we talked about our neighborhood feeling like high school, what he was like in high school, self-mythologizing, craving validation in projects (and beyond), and being allergic to earnestness…all before getting into his wild story of how he ended up going to rehab and getting sober last summer. He honestly explains what got him to that point with his trademark combo of self-deprecation and earnest humor. His new book, "Some Memories Are Only Thoughts”, just came out. We talk about that too as well as writing, sharing our work, and cringing at the process of it all. He’s a real gentle, sweet guy who makes me laugh and surprised me with a bunch of wisdom in this. And I surprised him with a few questions from his friends. Let us know if you listen. Show Notes: - Find Cale on the Web | Instagram | Spotify - Photos of Cale by our friend Jacob Boll -Find me: @letitouttt or I'm @katiedalebout - Cale's song he mentioned that plays at the end of this is Not Healthy Anymore - SPONSOR This episode is sponsored by Brooklinen: get $20 off plus free shipping on orders of $100+ with code letitout - Our newsletter to get show notes + essays by me, recs, etc. - Book store workshop in Highland Park! March 19th: come hang if you're in LA! it's free but RSVP here - SPONSOR Christy Harrison's new podcast: Rethinking Wellness - A spots in the Creative Clinic: more info here or email me (katie@letitouttt.com) : ) - For book recs, our bookshelf here - and I made a shop with recs ...with shelves for guests - the Let It Out Kits: are self-study workshops for personal growing based on all I've ever learned and am learning. Thanks so much for listening to this podcast.

This week is the third and final part of my conversation with hair stylist Ryann Bosetti. If you listened to the last two episodes you know she’s one of my favorite people to talk to so I wasn’t surprised we recorded for over three hours. I broke up that conversation into the last two episodes, where we talked about everything from how she got scouted to model at age 19 to her mystical thoughts on finding love in her late thirties to how she looks at her life through the lens of a fairy tale. If we look at her life from that storybook perspective, then this third episode is the chapter about a big, bad, wild situation that happened to her a few years ago. Recorded on a separate day, in this part Ryann shares the bad thing that happened to her, what she learned from that terrible time, how she healed from the tender spot she was left in, and how she now helps others as a result of her experience. Show Notes: - Listen to part 1 and part 2 of my conversation with Ryann -No sponsor this week--instead please consider supporting the Texas Advocacy Project -In person workshop in Highland Park! March 19th: come if you're in LA! free but RSVP here Ryann's Recs for Hair and beyond Including: -Spirulina for hair growth -B Complex Liquid for growth as well -Shower Water Filter for preventing hair breakage -Nettle Tea for hair growth -Women Who Run With the Wolves (Book she gave me) -More items and buying options of all of items Ryann and I talk about and she recommends are here as well as made a shelf here - Find Ryann on the Web | Instagram - Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - **My one-on-one CREATIVE CLINIC is open with a few spots left! Book a call with me here to see if it's a good fit!** - I made a shop includes shelves for skin care recs, shoes, body, hair care, + more...if you have any questions let me know! - For book recs, shop my Amazon bookshelf - Check out the Let It Out Kits: self-study workshops for personal growth - Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout - Photo credit: Alex Nataf-Taghizadeh for Unconditional Magazine

This week is part two of my conversation with hair stylist Ryann Bosetti. So happy she’s back since she’s one of my favorite people to talk to. We recorded for three hours at her studio a few weeks ago. Ryann is incredibly wise, special, mystical, and has sage insight around so many topics, so I’ve broken this up into a few episodes. In this second part, we cover: how she got scouted to model at age 19; how she found hairdressing; hair trends like big hair in the 80s; frequently asked questions about hair trends, health, and growth. Last week in part one, we talked about: power dynamics in the hair world; her mystical thoughts on finding love; on becoming what she calls a “baby elder woman” and how she loves sharing what she’s learned. Show Notes: - Listen to part 1 of my conversation with Ryann from last week - **My one-on-one CREATIVE CLINIC is open with a few spots left! Book a call with me here to see if it's a good fit!** Ryann's Recs for Hair and beyond Including: -Spirulina for hair growth -B Complex Liquid for growth as well -Shower Water Filter for preventing hair breakage -Nettle Tea for hair growth -Women Who Run With the Wolves (Book she gave me) -More items and buying options of all of items Ryann and I talk about and she recommends are here as well as made a shelf here - This episode is sponsored by Cured Nutrition: get 20% your first order with code letitout - Find Ryann on the Web | Instagram - Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - I made a shop includes shelves for skin care recs, shoes, body, hair care, + more...if you have any questions let me know! - For book recs, shop my Amazon bookshelf - Check out the Let It Out Kits: self-study workshops for personal growth - Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout - I talk about Saturn returns in the following episodes: with Trevor Hall here, with Madi Murphy here, with Aileen Xu here, with Emmalea Russo here, and Victoria Jane (human design) here Topics: -her fairytale backstory, from how she got scouted to model at age 19, left college to move to NYC, London, and Australia, and then returned to finish school and worked in finance in NYC -how she ended up in hair school -anorexia recovering, lingering, and healing -eating disorders within relationships -hair trends like big hair in the 80s -her most frequently asked hair questions on everything from trends, damage, hair health, growth tips -advice for someone wanting to become a hairdresser -why leftovers are so good -being earnest on instagram and how she handles social media in general -her greatest lesson of the last year -how imperfection is part of our perfection & letting go of the need to be fixed -plus I ask questions from our mutual pals including: some previous guests like Kerrilynn Pamer and Crystal Fawn

This week I speak with hair stylist Ryann Bosetti. She’s one of my favorite people to talk to, so we recorded for three hours at her studio a few weeks ago. Ryann has lived many fascinating lives. She is incredibly wise, special, mystical, and has sage insight around so many topics, so I’m breaking this up into a few episodes. In this first part, we talk about: power dynamics in the hair world; her mystical thoughts on finding love; on becoming what she calls a “baby elder woman” and how she loves sharing what she’s learned. Next week in part two we cover: how she got scouted to model at age 19; how she found hairdressing; hair trends like big hair in the 80s; frequently asked questions about hair trends, health, and growth. Topics: -softening within work -healing from hair shame -power dynamics in the hair world -importance of communication between hair stylist and client -positive lessons she got from her years of being a model -single women in society: the term “chronically single” -opening up to dating after being single -finding love: her mystical thoughts on meeting and falling in love -becoming what she calls a “baby elder woman” and the importance of helping each other move through transitions like moving, finding a home, and improving self care / worth Show Notes: - **My one-on-one CREATIVE CLINIC is open with a few spots left! Book a call with me here to see if it's a good fit!** - This episode is sponsored by Brooklinen: get $20 off plus free shipping on orders of $100+ with code letitout - Find Ryann on the Web | Instagram - Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - I made a shop for my recs! It includes shelves for skin care recs, shoes, body, hair care, + more...if you have any questions let me know! - For book recs, shop my Amazon bookshelf - Check out the Let It Out Kits: self-study workshops for personal growth - Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout

This week I spoke with author Mary Jelkovsky. Mary asked me on her podcast a couple months ago and when we recorded that interview we recorded one for Let It Out too. In the first half of this episode, Mary and I talk about how our difference in age impacts how we each use social media and technology, including how at only 16 she became an influencer as a fitness model, which led her to disordered eating, into recovery, and eventually to the work she’s doing now to help women accept their bodies and let go of food and body obsession. She’s written a best-selling book and accompanying journal, and over the past 5 years, she's been featured in TEDx, Teen Vogue, Shape, and Health Magazine. She also hosts the podcast Mary’s Cup of Tea, and the second half of this episode is part of my interview as a guest there. We talk about how orthorexia led me to create a blog that became a podcast about wellness, and how I eventually transitioned it beyond that niche to what it is now. We also cover the mindset (and fears) of a freelancer and within creative projects, the importance of evolution, and tools and resources I’ve found useful. I loved meeting her and these conversations, and hope to have many more—let us know if you listen. Show Notes: - **My one-on-one CREATIVE CLINIC is open with a few spots left! Book a call with me here to see if it's a good fit!** - Find Mary on the Web | Instagram - Listen to Mary's podcast & my episode on it - Mary's books: The Gift of Self Love & accompanying guided journal - Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox - I made a shop for my recs! It includes shelves for skin care recs, shoes, body, hair care, + more...if you have any questions let me know! - Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout

In lieu of an interview, this episode is a recording of a session I had with interior designer, architect, author, and feng shui consultant, Anjie Cho. Recorded in person at my apartment, Anjie gives me a typical feng shui and design consultation as if I were a new client. Sessions always start with the question: what are your three wishes for your life? The wishes become a jumping-off point to find interior adjustments in the nine different home areas, which in my case were mostly related to increasing my assertiveness, connection, defined relationships, and creativity. You’ll hear what a session is like as well get some general interior insights from her you can use, but most of all you’ll hear a loose (too?) personal conversation between two old friends. Through answering her consult questions, I end up telling her everything that’s up in the air in my little weird life from dating to money…which I almost cut out but left it all in and hope at least one of you finds it entertaining. But mostly for context for the gentle, sweet, and spot-on advice she gives like only a friend who has known you for 10 years can. Then we move all of my furniture which honestly made me feel way better. This is Anjie’s 4th appearance on this podcast—since 2014 she’s advised me on each apartments I’ve lived in two in Michigan, two in New York, and now this one in LA. We tell how we met through our dear @stiggly and she tells how she got into design through her love of art and portrait photography. Since 1999, she has been designing spaces informed by the ancient practice of feng shui and tailored to each individual’s needs, which you’ll get a taste of in this. She’s been featured everywhere from the New York Times to Domino Magazine; she’s a New York State registered architect, co-founder of the Mindful Design Feng Shui School, and author of the book Holistic Spaces and the forthcoming Mindful Homes, which we should all preorder a hard copy of, it is useful. Let us know if you listened to this… AND if you have any interior design or feng shui questions about your space, leave them here and Anjie will be taking over this account soon to answer in the comments of this post on Instagram and Anjie and I will answer if we can! : )

For the first episode of the new year, my editor and dear friend Briana Bane joins me to answer listener questions. The questions covered everything from astrology, gift giving and receiving, and advice we’d give our 25- and 35-year-old selves to our most midwestern qualities, how we both ended up moving from NYC to LA, and more. Then I have a conversation with Sprout Living founder Mark Malinsky covering the best advice he's ever been given, parenting and working from home, and even Martha Stewart’s Las Vegas restaurant. Let me know if you listen. Happy New Year! Show Notes: -Follow Briana on Instagram -Find Sprout Living on Instagram -Get 20% off all Sprout Living products with code LETITOUT -Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox -Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout

I’m sharing a special preview of a podcast I’ve been loving for years, Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso, from Pushkin Industries. Talk Easy is a weekly interview podcast, where writer Sam Fragoso invites actors, writers, activists, and musicians to come to the table and speak from the heart in ways you probably haven't heard from them before. Driven by curiosity, he’s had revealing conversations with everyone from Ethan Hawke to Cate Blanchett to Pedro Pascal to Questlove. In this preview, he sits down with actor, writer, and director Lake Bell, who shares her path to creating Inside Voice, her new audiobook. She describes growing up in Manhattan in the 80s, chronicling the world around her by tape recorder, and capturing those experiences into her 2013 film, "In a World..." And she shares how her voice has transformed in the past decade, the phenomenon of the 'sexy baby voice,' and the characters she hopes to discover in years to come. You can hear the full episode, and more from Talk Easy, at https://podcasts.pushkin.fm/talkeasypod?sid=out. PS Happy Holidays! we'll be back with long form episodes soon and in the meantime catch up, dive into the archive, listen to music, talk to each other, or talk to me. thank you for being here.

Instead of an interview today is a mashup of two episodes of Spiraling, the podcast I co-host with Serena Wolf about mental health. We started in 2019 where I’d walk to her apartment once a week and we’d talk and eventually started recording our conversations around anxiety. It’s been 4 years and now we live on opposite coasts, but we still record our conversations. The first half is from the middle of the current season, where we discuss navigating different timelines and expectations both from ourselves and from society. I picked this episode because I got messages from people saying it was comforting to hear where I am with being a single person navigating a freelance career so, even though it makes me cringe a little, I’m sharing it here too. The format of Spiraling is that Serena and I both share our “spirals” for the week, try to help each other talk through them, then discuss a topic: the one you’re about to hear is on comparison, money, the decision to have kids, and aging. All of this sounds real heavy but we’re mostly laughing and we always end with a segment called "high, higher, highest" where we share three highs of the week. The second half of this mashup is our goofy reintroduction episode where we each share favorite books, drinks, songs and more. Show notes: - To hear the full episodes of Spiraling these excerpts came from, listen to the first episode of Season 4 here, the fourth episode here, and the full archive here - Favorite products mentioned: Sea Clearinfusion container - Books mentioned: The Book of Laughter and ForgettingThe Idea of YouAn Absolutely Remarkable Thing- Other codes to use to support the show: OzmaKatie15

This week on the program is artist Anna Fusco, who you might know as Lord Cowboy. Anna works across drawing, writing, and digital illustration. She’s done some big drawings, has a really cool poster and print shop, and writes a reader-supported newsletter called "Unsupervised" that is read by thousands of people each month, including me. She currently lives on the central coast of California and we caught up over zoom a few weeks ago. We discussed everything from over-processing experiences, care vs. worry, the accountability that comes from living in community, to how she met “Lord Cowboy” and ended up living where she is now. Anna and I connected after my friend Christine sent me one of her posters. It is one that I especially loved because it articulated something we all crave in some degree: connection and community. I’m far from the only person who resonated with the poster and in this Anna shared where she was when she wrote the words. Anna is so special and I loved speaking with her as much as I love her painting, drawings, and her entire online shop. Let us know if you listen. Show notes: -It's not to late to join IN PROCESS as a self-study course: find out more and sign up here! -Self-study 2022 Holiday Workshops are here! -Subscribe to Anna's Substack -Find Anna on the Web | Instagram -The poster I mention at the top of the episode -Artist Michael McGregor on Instagram -Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox -Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out: Episode 393: Kismet Color with Artist Kimmy Quillin Sponsors: Almost 30 podcast

Keke Palmer has questions for days, about everything under the sun. From the existential to the inconsequential. From pop culture to pop science. From the meaning of life to the meaning of W.A.P. From life in outer space to “Where the eff is Tom from MySpace?" And everything in between. Because Baby, this is Keke Palmer, and she is here for All. Of. It. Each week, the multi-talented Keke is taking you on a journey down the rabbit hole on a topic that she cannot stop obsessing over. She’ll also get deep with special guests, trying to answer the questions that keep us up at night. We are getting INTO IT. Listen to Baby, this is Keke Palmer Only on Amazon Music: www.amazon.com/BTIKP_us_pfd_AA_110122

This week I spoke with singer-songwriter Leona Naess who recently released an album titled Brood X after a family of periodic cicadas that, like her, reemerged in 2022 after 17 years underground. In the years since she released her last album in 2004, Naess had lived her own life “underground”— nesting, becoming a mom, and moving through the grief of losing both parents. Released in 2021, Brood X has themes of reemergence and rediscovery. In this conversation we talk about how she got into the music industry young with her hit song Charm Attack, the music industry in the 90s, processing grief, being cool vs. warm, and more. Show notes: -It's not to late to join IN PROCESS -- find out more and sign up here! -Find Leona on the Web | Instagram -Read this Harper's Bazaar article on Leona -Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox -Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out: Episode 404: Musician Courtney Marie Andrews on Chunk Writing & Loose Futures Sponsor: Sprout Living: get 20% off your order with code LETITOUT